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While working on the story of Jesus Feeds the 5000 with our Writing Team, we became intrigued by easily we had SMOOSHED TOGETHER the details of John's version of the story with that of the other three Gospel version.

To help the Team decide "which version" to choose and not accidentally combine them or confuse them, we created a "Is That in Matthew or John?" Feeding of the 5000 Quiz, which you can also take.

Other than the story of the cross, "Jesus Feeds the 5000" is the ONLY Jesus story found in ALL FOUR GOSPELS, so obviously, it was an important story in the early church. But equally as important is the fact that the four versions are not identical. John's version is especially unique.

So take the quiz and see how well you know the story. And then compare your % correct to those of everyone else who's since taken the quiz. You can see a snapshot from one point in time in the graphic below. Then, read my Bible study notes about each question down below and in the next post.

Was that in Matthew or John?

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Jesus Feeding the 5000



Take the Quiz to see how well you think you know this story, then BE SURE TO CLICK "REVIEW ALL ANSWERS" at the end of the quiz for some very interesting insights and comments about these differences.

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Quiz Scores and Insights from our
"Matthew vs John ~ Feeding the 5000" Quiz

...what they reveal about our knowledge of these stories
...and what it means to teachers and lesson writers

from the series, "Insights into the Lesson Writing Process"

As of the date of this post, over 140 of you have taken the "Matthew or John" Feeding the 5000 Quiz --but very few scored higher than 80%. This is understandable as it's not very often that we are TAUGHT the differences between the Gospels, much less asked to recall them! But we didn't create the quiz to demonstrate the inadequacy of people's Bible education. Rather, we created this challenging quiz to help talk about the importance of WHICH VERSION of a story we select, and the decision-making process behind that selection which can have important lesson-writing and teaching implications.

Many Jesus stories are found in more than one Gospel. And in the case of the Feeding of the 5000, it's found in all FOUR, and each Gospel has slightly different details --some of which are quite profound.  So which Gospel version should we pick? And what should we say about these differences?

Some teachers, story resources, and curriculum tend to "blend the Gospels together" and thus "blend away" the interesting difference between the Gospels.  The Rotation.org Writing Team believes in the importance of discovering and respecting each Gospel version's uniqueness rather than trying to consolidate differences or whitewash them.

Below are the quiz results as of March 2019. As you can see, Fewer than a third of quiz-takers got more than 7 out of 10 questions right. Read on to discover some of the interesting differences between Matthew and John's version of the story, and their teaching implications...

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DIFFERENCES MATTER and WHY WE CHOSE JOHN

The differences between "same" stories found in more than one Gospel, such as Jesus Feeds the 5000 or the different accounts of the Crucifixion, are often quite important and the choice of which version to teach can have profound lesson and teaching implications.

For example, of the four Gospel versions of the Feeding of the 5000, only John mentions the small boy, and only John's version includes an explanation of the miracle. And it was those differences that made us choose John's version of the story to teach children in the Writing Team's Lesson Set.

John's version has one of the few stories that includes a child, and our children could imagine themselves being that child.

John's version includes an explanation of the miracle and the other three versions don't. John says that the miracle helped the people see who Jesus really was (and wasn't simply a story about sharing food).

The differences between the Gospels are even more profound in the accounts of Jesus' death. Each Gospel places different words on Jesus' lips. For example, only Luke has Jesus saying “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”  And yet, many movies, storybooks, preachers, and teachers tend to smash all these accounts together --creating a sort of "False Fifth Gospel."

Thus, when teaching John's version of the Feeding story, we shouldn't be sneaking in details from Matthew or Luke just because we find them interesting or "like" that part of the story (not unless we are clearly teaching that these details come from another Gospel). And when we are studying Mark's crucifixion story, we shouldn't be adding in all the other versions from the other three Gospels because this ruins Mark's narrative and focus. Instead, RESPECT EACH GOSPELS' VERSION.

The Writing Team "rules" for teaching a story found in more than one Gospel:

The Early Church decided to PRESERVE the differences between the Gospels when assembling the manuscripts, so we should too.

  • Each Gospel writer's story is to be respected.
  • Each version is unique and authoritative in its own right.
  • The differences are often profound and introduce (or leave out) details which the Gospel writer wanted to be emphasized (or didn't know about or didn't want to include).
  • Teaching one version in a Sunday morning children's lesson is enough.
  • Combining stories into a "Fifth Gospel Version" not only mistreats the Gospel differences, but it can also create future confusion when students hear the individual stories in worship and other lessons.
  • When teaching one version, it's a good idea to mention that the other Gospels have slightly different versions of the story you are using so that kids are surprised when they hear a different version in the future.

Why we are writing this article

These insights were originally written for the Rotation.org Writing Team which often faces the question of "which Gospel version" to use for its lesson sets. In the Rotation Model, we pick the major stories of the Bible and teach them once for four to five weeks in a row. This means we have to choose ONE story and do it well.  Whereas, a traditional Sunday School curriculum can pick many different Gospel versions of the same story because a traditional curriculum needs 52 new stories per year and will probably need to get to them all !!! Thus, this year those using traditional curriculum can do one week using Mark's version of the cross story, and next year use Luke's version, and next year Matthew's. That may seem like a logical solution, but hang on...

The problem with this "eventually pick them all" lectionary-based approach is that a one week lesson is nowhere near enough to do justice to each version. By trying to do more we end up teaching less. This is the basis of the Rotation Model --spending time with stories instead of rushing through them one week at a time. And thus, Rotation Modelers have to choose their stories carefully. Read an article about how to create a scope and sequence of stories to teach for the Rotation Model.

Fortunately, the kids will hear the Cross story in worship as well. But that's where the "False Fifth Gospel" starts to form because the end result is one vague idea of the story of the cross where individual details begin to be forgotten.

However, unlike the story of the Cross, kids won't hear the story of the 5000 fed every year, even though it is the only story other than the cross found in all four Gospels. So our choice is even more important because in a four or five year curriculum, we will get one "rotation" of four or five weeks to teach this important story. And thus, WHICH version really matters to us, and handling it right even more important. No smooshing or fudging.

Read the 5000 Bible Background for more interesting differences and insights.

Jump down to the next post to read the
correct answers and explanations for all ten questions
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"Insights into the Lesson Writing Process" is a collection of articles written by Neil MacQueen for the Writing Team training process and our membership.

One of the founders of Rotation.org and the Rotation Model, Neil has been working as the Lead Writer and writer-trainer for our Writing Team. We've asked Neil to "pull back the curtain" and put into writing for posterity the thought-process behind the multitude of decisions and creative brainstorming that result in the Writing Team's lesson sets.

Whether you're a lesson writer, Christian educator, or volunteer teacher, we hope you enjoy the discussion these insights are designed to engage. If you'd like to take part in the Writing Team process, contact us.

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Matthew or John?
The ten questions with our notes...


1. Which of these Gospels has Jesus landing, meeting the crowd, then healing their sick, then feeding them. (The other just has Jesus landing, being approached by the crowd, and then feeding them.)  

Correct Answer: Matthew
Matthew says that Jesus healed people in the crowd before feeding everyone. John does not. It might seem like a minor difference, but it is the first of several details in the story of just how different John is from Matthew and the other Gospels in this story. John’s version doesn’t say that Jesus healed the sick or taught when the crowd came to him after he had landed (Mark's version also doesn't include healings before the feeding.) Rather, John says the crowd had come to meet Jesus “because they saw the signs he had performed (past tense)...” (v2) In fact, verse 3 suggests that when Jesus first saw the crowd as he landed, he tried to get away from them by going uphill, but they approached him and that's when the feeding story starts.



2. Which Gospel version of the Feeding of the 5000 story says that Jesus "had compassion on them" (the crowd)?

Correct answer: Matthew.
John’s 5000 story doesn't include the idea that Jesus "had compassion" on the crowd and he doesn't perform any healing miracles. (John 6:2 only says the crowd had come because they had seen him previously perform miracles.) Rather than "an act of compassion," John's Jesus "already had in mind what he was going to do," (John 6:6) and that was to give people a sign (miracle) that would reveal his identity (John 6:14).



3. In which Gospel do the disciples tell Jesus that it's “getting late” ? 

Correct answer: Matthew (and Mark and Luke)
John 6 does not reference the time of day. Could have been lunch! Matthew says Jesus had been healing sick people in the crowd before addressing their need for food. Luke 9 adds that Jesus also taught the crowd about the Kingdom of God. The three synoptic Gospels describe an event that went on for many hours, but in John's version, once Jesus arrives the crowd approaches him, so he feeds them, then he withdraws.



4. In which Gospel does Phillip exclaim that it would cost "half a year’s wages" to feed the crowd?

Correct answer: John
In Matthew, the disciples only say "it’s late" and then TELL Jesus he should send them to the towns to find their own food. The disciples in John's version simply ASK Jesus what to do and Phillip's exclamation reinforces both the size of the problem, and the disciples lack of a plan.




5. In which Gospel do the disciples get the five loaves and two fishes from a small boy?

Correct answer: John
The other three gospels don’t include this interesting detail about the boy, only John mentions him in passing. Many teachers and preachers like to tout the boy as a "sharing hero" but this is not a story about giving, it's a story about receiving -- seeing the sign and believing in who it is that is giving it to you. ("Miracle" in the Greek = "Sign") If you must ask about the boy, why not ask what impact his encounter with Jesus had on his faith?

This is a KEY INSIGHT featured in all the lesson plans of our set.  Asking about the impact Jesus had on the boy's FAITH, and not turning this story into a parable about sharing.




6. Which Gospel says that it was JESUS who distributed the bread and fish to the people? (The other three Gospels say it was the disciples who did the distribution.)

Correct answer: John
John specifies that it was Jesus who distributed the bread, and adds that Jesus also distributed the fish. In Matthew, Luke, and Mark, the disciples are the ones distributing the food (which makes sense considering the size of the crowd).

So why did John in verse 11 TWICE say that Jesus did the distributing (both the bread then the fish)? It's not an accident if you continue to read the chapter. In verse 27, Jesus says we should work for the bread "which the Son of Man will give you." And continuing in verse 35, Jesus calls himself the Bread and tells the disciples that people must "come to me." In other words, John has shaped some of the details in the story to dovetail with what Jesus is about to tell his disciples.

This important difference also illustrates what might be called "John's willingness to sacrifice story detail in order to promote his theme." Surely John could have calculated the near impossibility of Jesus taking the time to hand everyone the bread, but John had a greater point to make -- that Jesus is the one who gives us the bread. 




7. Three of the Gospel versions of this story report that Jesus looked to the heaven and gave thanks, then broke the bread before distributing it. However, one of the Gospels reports that he just gave thanks then distributed it (no heaven looking, not breaking of the loaves). Which one leaves OUT the heaven and breaking detail?

Correct answer: John
In John's version, Jesus simply gives thanks and distributes the bread himself (no looking or raising to heaven, no breaking). Matthew loves the word “heaven” – using it 76 times (!) in his Gospel. John uses "heaven" 17 times but not in the story of the 5000. Like Matthew, Mark and Luke include both "heaven" and the "breaking." (Recall the theory that Matthew and Luke are using John as their source, and John seems to have another source.)

John's Jesus never "breaks" the bread either here in this story or at the Last Supper. Interesting!  It's easy to imagine that a teacher would INSERT "breaking the bread" into their lesson since the act and words are so ingrained in our worship-communion psyche, but doing so would not be true to John. He isn't interested in directly connecting this instance of bread-giving to our worship practice.  




8, Which of these Gospels does NOT mention the "women and children" as part of the crowd that day?

Correct answer: John
John and Mark do not mention the presence of women and children, only "5000 men." Matthew adds "women and children" who are "in addition to the 5000 men."

There are a lot of unsatisfying debates about why these versions differ on this point, and why the number 5000 was used. I like Luke’s version where he just says it was “about” 5000 men, which lets us know that the number 5000 is just a guess, not a DaVinci code secret. And John certainly gives a woman her due by telling us that Mary Magdalene was the first to meet the risen Lord. To wit: there's no molehill here that needs made into a mountain. And in fact, in today's church we'd be excited to mention that this many men showed up to a teaching event!! Maybe John was too.



9. This Gospel is the only one that includes this "revealing" detail about the miracle's purpose: After witnessing the miracle and being fed, the crowd proclaims Jesus as the “Prophet” they had been waiting for.

Correct answer: John
John's version is the only one that explains within the story itself the significance of the miracle as revealing Jesus' identity. Matthew doesn’t include this revelation. Interestingly, Luke DOES include it, in a way, by immediately following the story of the 5000 with Peter’s declaration of belief after Jesus asks, “Who do people say that I am?” Once again we are reminded that this miracle (sign) is about Jesus and our response to him, and not about a small boy, feeding the hungry, or "giving to God." (Yuck on those misinterpretations.) These signs will get him in trouble with the authorities because they know what these signs are claiming and they don't want to hear it.



10, Last question! What is the primary meaning of the miracle of the Feeding of the 5000 ?

Is it:

a. The miracle tells us that we should share what we have and Jesus will multiply our gifts.

b. The miracle reveals that Jesus is the One sent by God to save us and feed our souls.

c. The miracle tells us that the "even least of these," such as the small boy, have something to offer Jesus.

Correct answer: The miracle reveals that Jesus is the One sent by God.

John 6:14 makes that clear by having the crowd declare it. The crowd recognizes who Jesus is by the performance of the miracle.

The word "miracle" in the Greek language of all four Gospels literally means "SIGN."  Jesus performed many signs that revealed his identity to the people and to the authorities. It was these signs that got him into trouble because some people didn't want to believe what the signs were saying, namely, that Jesus WAS the One promised, that he was indeed the Messiah.  The rest of John's 6th chapter after the feeding story -- and going into Chapter 7 confirms this meaning and expands on it. Jesus calls himself the Bread of Life come down from heaven, an everlasting bread. The authorities reject these signs and begin to plot his arrest. Luke 9:18 makes a similar point about the meaning of the Feeding of the 5000. Right after it happens, Jesus asks his disciples, "Who do the people say that I am?"  Then Peter declares him to be the Messiah, and Jesus shouts BINGO!  So if the point was not lost on them, we too should not miss the point of the story. Instead, we should ask: Do you see the SIGNs of who I am? Do you believe Jesus is the One? And what will you do to share and live this Good News?

This is one of the primary insights built into the Writing Team's 5000 lesson set. it would have been easy to dumb-down the story into a parable about sharing -- which a lot of curriculums do with this story. But that is a mishandling of scripture and our responsibility as teachers of the word. The WT doesn't take short-cuts, or simply do what everyone else seems to have always done with this story.

"Sharing" is much easier to teach children than "who do you say I am," --especially if you are an unprepared teacher. But Sunday School is not about turning out ethical students, it's about turning out faithful students.

We are preparing our children to encounter the One who comes "by the lakeside" as evangelist Albert Schweitzer once wrote. "He came to those who knew Him not. He speaks to us the same words: "Follow thou me!" ...and to those who obey, whether they be wise or simple, He will reveal himself ...as the ineffable mystery, they shall learn in their own experience Who He is.

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